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Wessel van Rensburg's avatar

Great post and yes, Trump is a lord of chaos and creating the opposite of the Leviathan.

But just to note that Hobbes is seen by some eminent scholars of him as the first liberal (liberalism and democracy being distinct things - and the essence of liberalism being no one has the natural right to rule) He was agnostic on whether the authority is democratically elected or indeed authoritarian — what matters is as you say, they create order, and can be removed by force if they don’t.

Also Hobbes explicitly has it that the Leviathan does not interfere in subjects’ personal lives and preferences - it has no preference of what constitutes virtue by them. This interpretation of Hobbes supports your point vs Trump even more comprehensively.

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Naomi Hossain's avatar

The real nastiness and brutishness will come with the forest fire, flood and storm seasons. Watching the US battle climate change effects without a functioning federal state is going to be tragic.

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